Analog Corner #256: Acoustic Signature Ascona Mk.2 turntable, TA-9000 tonearm Page 2

Setup . . .
. . . was easy. The Ascona Mk.2's three large knobs make it easy to level the top chassis and thus the platter. The outboard AlphaDIG power supply allowed for easy, precise adjustment of the platter's two speeds (33 1/3 and 45rpm). I'm still not sold on the need for three motors, let alone six in the Invictus. I understand the rationale for equalizing the pull of the belt on the bearing, but in the real world, how much actual pull can there be, especially with a compliant belt?


Fig.1 Acoustic Signature Ascona Mk.2, speed stability (raw frequency yellow; low-pass filtered frequency green). Fig.2 Acoustic Signature Ascona Mk.2, speed stability data.

Even if the AlphaDIG works perfectly, small deviations in the pulley machining and/or the belt's thickness would probably undo any gains in terms of speed accuracy. The measurements I took with Dr. Feickert Analogue's PlatterSpeed software (figs.1 & 2) were very, very good, but not exceptionally so—certainly not three times better than 'tables fitted with one motor, and, as I recall, not as good as some of them.

Though unsuspended, the Ascona's platter was extremely well isolated from exterior vibrations. With the stylus sitting in the groove and me tapping—banging—on the HRS platform with a finger, I heard almost no sound from the speakers. When I banged on the upper chassis, same result.

Sound: Ascona Mk.2
Combined with the TA-9000—also an unknown—the Ascona Mk.2 produced a smooth sound with a rich midrange, great detail, and great resolution. The Acoustic Signature combo had far less grip on and control of the bottom end than did the Kuzma Stabi M and 14" 4Point arm, which had better bottom-end extension, speed, and rhythmic clarity for a lower price, though the Ascona Mk.2 and TA-9000 were far better at fleshing out the midrange to produce a pleasing, measured bloom.

Eliminating the arm variable meant using the SAT arm with both the Continuum Caliburn and the Ascona Mk.2. That was easy—I had a second SAT mount on the Ascona. I could play a track on the Caliburn, lift the arm out of the base of one turntable, and plop it down in the other, knowing that all setup parameters were identical. And, of course, I was able to use the same Lyra Atlas cartridge in both rigs, which helped determine the true measures of the TA-9000 tonearm and the Ascona Mk.2 itself.


I recorded three tracks at 24/96 with each 'table, but listened to many more on both. The recorded tracks were a reissue of the Ray Brown Trio's Soular Energy (Concord Jazz/Analogue Productions APJ-268-45); a reissue of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue with pianist Earl Wild and Arthur Fiedler conducting the Boston Pops (RCA Living Stereo/Analogue Productions LSC-2367); and an original pressing of Eno's Another Green World (UK Island ILPS 9135). I've long had a second pressing of the Eno on Polydor, as well as a Japanese original, but I'd always wanted an original UK Island. I found a minty one on Discogs and pulled the $100 trigger. I'd rather have this record than $100 in the bank!

I'll spare you the methodology and cut to the chase. Extracting only the turntable results from these comparisons: The sound of the Ascona Mk.2 was pleasingly rich in the midrange, and delicately drawn in terms of attack, sustain, and decay—quite the opposite of the combination of Kuzma Stabi M turntable and 4Point 14" tonearm. However, the Kuzma player's bottom end was better controlled, and further extended and distinct. The Ascona Mk.2's somewhat rich midrange also produced larger, somewhat less focused images than the Kuzma player with its own arm or the Continuum with the SAT arm.

On the Kuzma combination and the Caliburn with the SAT arm, the image of Wild's piano was compact, well focused, and appropriately small—as you'd hear it from, say, the first row in the balcony—though the Kuzma presented it as more of a percussive event, losing some of the instrument's woody tonality. The Ascona's rendering was larger, bloomier, and less well focused. The tonality, though, was preferable to the Kuzma's.

The Ascona Mk.2's strongest suits, aside from pleasingly "black" backgrounds, were its delicacy of attack, midband richness, and textural smoothness without softening that reminded me of the very expensive Onedof turntable ($175,000). A higher compliment I can't pay.

However, macrodynamics, bottom-end extension, and rhythmic drive, while reasonably good, weren't as fully expressed as I'd expected from so massive a design, nor were backdrops as drop-dead "black" as I'd expected. If you value high-resolution delicacy—and, especially, textural and harmonic expressiveness—and have the money, the Acoustic Signature Ascona Mk.2 is worth your attention.

Sound: TA-9000
Gunther Frohnhöfer said that his goal was to produce a light, stiff, well-damped armtube. He's accomplished the light, stiff part for sure, but the TA-9000 was surprisingly lively in response to a finger tap, transmitting a great deal of the tap's energy through the system to the speakers. (Perhaps it's the inner arm that counts in such a tap, but there's no way to test that.) That surprised me.

I was more surprised when I assessed the arm's horizontal and vertical resonant frequencies using the Hi-Fi News & Record Review Test Record (LP, Hi-Fi News HFN 001), and couldn't hear or see the arm jiggle the way it should at the test frequencies for horizontal and vertical resonance—which means they were not only outside the desired range of 8–12Hz, but outside the test-band range of 5–25Hz. That would indicate that the arm's mass is too low for a typical low-compliance moving-coil cartridge, which would put the resonant frequency beyond the upper, 25Hz limit of the Test Record's range (footnote 4).

Just to be sure, I ran the same test on the SAT arm. Sure enough, in the tests of both horizontal and vertical resonances, the arm and cartridge began to violently jiggle and wobble within a very narrow frequency range centered on 9Hz—as they should.

Because the Ascona Mk.2 was also not ironfisted on the bottom, I don't recommend using it with the TA-9000. Instead, I'd bet the TA-9000 would sound better on the Kuzma Stabi M, and the Kuzma 4Point on the Ascona Mk.2. (I'd also bet that neither manufacturer enjoyed reading that last sentence.) Still, an arm of relatively low mass like the TA-9000 won't be ideal for any low-compliance MC cartridge.

Unless I'm missing something and my measurements are off (though I've reliably measured dozens of arms), it seems that Gunther Frohnhöfer has overlooked something. Which surprises me.

One more thing: After using the supplied AudioQuest DIN-to-RCA phono cable for most of my listening, toward the end I received a Luminous Audio Technology Silver Reference DIN-to-RCA that, much to my surprise, improved every aspect of the TA-9000's sound: better focus, more tightly drawn images, more air, "blacker" backgrounds. Recordings of the two cables played for disinterested parties confirmed all of that.

The Luminous Silver Reference ($1599) is made of 21-gauge, 99.999%-pure silver wire coated with Teflon, and is fitted with Furutech's FP-DIN connector and ETI silver Bullet Plugs. The custom shielding is handmade, and includes a double braid of copper insulated with a special polypropylene mesh to help reduce capacitance.

Conclusions
The Acoustic Signature Ascona Mk.2 turntable is ingeniously designed, superbly machined and constructed, and versatile. It excels where music lives—in the midrange—where it reproduces recordings with great delicacy and a pleasing smoothness that brought back fond memories of the Onedof turntable's creamy midband smoothness and precise reproduction of transients.

However, despite the Ascona's ultra-high mass and heroic engineering, and even with the $5000 Invictus platter option, I felt that its overall performance, while very enjoyable, enticing, and musically pleasing, was on the polite side.

Why? Image focus was less well defined and less tightly controlled than I'd expected, and while its bottom-end extension was very good, its dynamic slam failed to throw me back in my seat with records that I know are capable of delivering precisely that. The price of this turntable is justified by its construction quality and cosmetics, somewhat less so by its overall sound (footnote 5).

As for the beautifully designed and innovatively constructed TA-9000 tonearm, unless my resonant-frequency observations were somehow off-the-charts wrong—though they did back up what I'd heard in terms of diminished bass output—the arm's mass is too low to work well with modern, low-compliance MC cartridges. Also, for $17,995, I feel you're entitled to an easier, more sophisticated way of adjusting VTA and SRA.


Footnote 4: According to the Acoustic Signature website, the TA-9000's effective mass is 14.7gm, which in theory would be appropriate for use with a cartridge with low–moderate compliance. With the Lyra Atlas's specified mass of 11.6gm and compliance of 12cu, the resonance should lie at 9Hz. Unless the TA-9000 features significant damping at the pivot or the specified numbers are incorrect, it is a puzzle why the resonance was not detectable.—Ed.

Footnote 5: See Michael Fremer's July 2017 Follow-Up review here.—Ed.

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COMMENTS
Doctor Fine's picture

I hope the manufacturer moves forward with their design and makes it perform at a level that supports its price point. Then we all benefit. Good job as usual guys!

Meanwhile, I thought reviewers like you were supposed to be bought off by manufacturers? What will happen now that you were less than all in on this particular product? Will social welfare counselors have been notified to comfort all the afflicted upon request? Ha!

Ortofan's picture

... supposedly improved "Neo" versions of both the turntable and tonearm.
If nothing else, they've raised the prices for both items by about 50%.
The combo now sells for almost $80K.
For that amount of money, you could also opt for an SME Model 60 or an Esoteric Grandioso T1.

Glotz's picture

And the Maximus Neo looks to smash all comers at the $5k price point. Really great reviews by trusted resources across the net.

Top of my list bar none. AS is doing things that really impress. Plasma coated bearing, all-aluminum billeted .1mm toleranced chassis, others.

I liked MT's visit of their facilities a few months back during the Munich show. I do not see VPI nor Clearaudio doing the same level of precision and performance for the money. Others may dismiss them out of hand, but that would be mistake.

johnnythunder1's picture

he has never read a review for a component and posted a comment that simply states " That sound likes an interesting product. I'd like to own that." He has to offer a contrarian product at a cheaper price point or engineering alternative. Or question x, y or z about the reviewers methods. But it makes sense, a different comment of his had him pining for the glory days of the 1970s like when empresario Rudolph Bing was running the Met Opera. Truly a man of the people and the present. Yes, those were the days when Brooklyn had the Dodgers too.

Glotz's picture

Being a Luddite has to involve intelligence and rationale for the 'why' of one's rigidity. Just assuming the product sucks or it's too expensive is precisely the trap.

More often than not, they are covering up for inadequacies of their system, their lack of knowledge or their lack of an open mind.

Implying an contrarian product is better is also a lie as a result of dismissing everything as it feigns knowledge and authority- especially since they really don't know much at all... They haven't listened to it or experienced it.

Glossing over or ignoring aspects of any argument to 'win' on a few of their own points is also reprehensible. To not directly respond to others' valid points is to admit they're wrong about their own convictions.

Back it up respectfully and get respect in return.

Ortofan's picture

... was had MF asked Gunther Frohnhöfer how and why this combination of turntable and tonearm ended up with a price tag comparable to that of a Mercedes GLE SUV.

At least we do also get a review of some Acoustic Signature products whose prices don't rival those of new motor vehicles.
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/acoustic-signatures-maximus-neo-turntable-max-quiet-clean-soundstage-and-excellent-dynamics

Some prefer to discuss the equipment under review, while others would rather post about their umbrage with other post(er)s.

Glotz's picture

There's a lot to read here as well as the AS website. Perhaps understand what automation does in a multibillion dollar company vs. a small cottage industry. I think you would see comparisons between the two are poor at best.

It is in fact even more ironic you would know expensive automobiles and they luxury they bring and not appreciate this industry for the bespoke research and technology they invent and bring to bear. Not sure why you look at the vehicle industry as justified and the audio industry as not justified (in high prices). State of the art costs money, no matter the industry.

I take a great deal of umbrage with posters that really don't care about this industry, nor the reviewers, nor the magazine itself. Through distrust and implied misinformation, they ruin our fine hobby and past-time. Instead of relegating oneself to purchasing reasonably priced gear, they decry the existence of higher priced gear because they can't afford it.

Ortofan's picture

... an $80K+ price tag, you - as a patron of high-end audio equipment manufacturers - have recently purchased?

Likewise, would you indicate at what price point a turntable and tonearm qualify as "high-end" components?

Despite being accused of not caring about the reviewers or this magazine, I have been buying copies of Stereophile for the past 40 years. How about you?

Glotz's picture

Because I approach this hobby with an open mind, I have heard many very expensive turntables (& systems) in a variety of environs and time frames. Ad hominem attacks of my experience show anti-socialism and contempt.

No, you don't care about the reviewers of this magazine, as you really have nothing appreciative nor respectful to say to reviewers. I haven't seen it ever.

Ironically, that does come off as very contemptible for a 'fan' of the magazine of 40 years. I've been reading Stereophile for 40 years, as well as music lover and audiophile since the early 80's. It's about what and how you share your opinions. It is an art for sure. You have nice points to make, but you do it in an insulting way. Michael had some great insights here.

Trust the reviewers once in a while. Over 40 years, I certainly have. How about you??

Ortofan's picture

... " heard many very expensive turntables", but, given your expressed concern for the wellbeing of manufacturers of high-end audio products, which $80K+ turntable and tonearm have you yourself purchased?

Again, on your personal scale, what price point determines whether or not a turntable and tonearm is deemed to be "high-end"?

Glotz's picture

You first.

You're the wind-up toy, not me.

Never said anything about the well-being of whatever the hell you are talking about...

Ortofan's picture

... all hat and no cattle, you are.

Glotz's picture

No one cares what you're demanding... or what you're thinking.

Your childish arguments are time wasters for everyone.

It's so funny- Fremer would've probably said you're just a sad, angry old man getting madder about how other people spend their money.

What a petty existence!

Ortofan's picture

... a complete and utter lack of familiarity with what MF has posted.

Both HR and JVS have quoted my "thinking" in their reviews.
Can you make the same claim for anything you have posted here?

Glotz's picture

Do you need validation that way? It would explain your haughty nature.

Ortofan's picture

... others, if not yourself, that your prior assertion is baseless.

Glotz's picture

You've reached for validation several times here in prior paragraphs. You also frequently cast aspersions to manufacturer and writer alike.

Ortofan's picture

... criticism regarding the products, their manufacturers, the reviews and/or their authors, or are we only ever supposed to be cheerleaders?

When did you become the forum censor?

Glotz's picture

And ill-informed criticism. You just suggested that $5K and a $100K speaker should sound alike, especially not having heard the other speaker.

You are quite foolish and your criticisms suspect.

Ortofan's picture

... discuss turntables.
Now, you're including speakers?

Do you deem anything that doesn't align with your particular beliefs and opinions to be "misplaced", "ill-informed", "foolish" and "suspect"?

Glotz's picture

More nonsequiturs and bs. Keep twisting your way out of this...

Anton's picture

...if so, there goes your proof.

All apologies, but that is one ugly piece of kit.

Not disparaging potential performance, only its physiognomy!

Glotz's picture

I secretly want the Tornado Neo, but know I will never be able to afford that.. lol. That, to me, reminiscent of the SAT table that MF reviewed. Man, I want one!

ok's picture

..it reminds me of a charcoal iron. I don't mind electronics, but I demand speakers and turntables to look like ones.

Ortofan's picture

... as the "classic design" aesthetic of their Double X Neo model:

https://acousticsignature.audio/double-x-neo/

David Harper's picture

They imagine that, for instance, turntables have "sound quality". And that a tt that costs $100K MUST sound better than one that costs $300 dollars. It just has to. Because it costs so much. This is the fallacy of high end audio. Price trumps common sense.

ChrisS's picture

Look, common sense for $55!

You can buy 5 of these and still be under $300!

Ya don't need speakers, ya don't need an amp...

Ya don't need anything more!

Whad'ya waiting for?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/victrola-bluetooth-stereo-turntable-turquoise/5255027.p?skuId=5255027&intl=nosplash

David Harper's picture

Just say when and where. Please. Just say when and where.
Anywhere you say. Anytime you say. If you're man enough.

ChrisS's picture

You won't be able to handle my stereo!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs

Glotz's picture

It just trumps your common sense.

And wow, you're threatening more people in an online space, like a pure digital coward. Big talk coming from a little man.

I wonder if he's strong enough to carry that big ol' phonograph case around..?

David Harper's picture

I said just say when and where. I think you're the coward. In fact I know you are. One more time; just say when and where.

ChrisS's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2itQkiQUOE

Glotz's picture

You intentionally started a new thread to avoid me... lol.

Mano a mano on the shore of Greenland on the last ice core... with bolas made of $50,000 interconnects and Stillpoints Ultra 5's as weights!

LMAO.. online tough guys.

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